RECENT CONVERSATION WITH A PERSON DEVOTED TO KAL BHAIRO TEMPLE

Dear Swamiji

I find your article about Khal Bhairo to be totally ridiculous!!! Khal Bhairo was created by Lord Shiva when there was a dispute between the fifth head of Lord Brahma and Lord Vishnu as to who is greater. Lord Shiva created Lord Bhairo and commanded him to cut off the fifth head of Lord Brahma and then peace was restored. Check the Shiva Purana for yourself!!! Dee baba is not Khal Bhairo. He is the split image of Mother sita and Lord Ram’s son lau called kush. Lord Bhairo is NOT the devil. I am sure if you turn ON comments ALOT of people will disagree and provide more proofs. I suggest you either make corrections or simple remove such lies from your website!! Its misleading…. Remember people look at spiritual leaders for knowledge and when they are misled, God is watching.

hi Selwyn,

First of all i am glad to hear that God is watching me , i did not know that.  The story of Kush conflicts with all the other stories in the Ramyan.  You are all wrong about the puranas …that was Veer bhadra and Lord Bhairava. I am not sure who is kal Bhairo…I did not know about him 20 years ago . All I know is that people who were worshiping  kal bhairo came to me with problems and since they were offering rum and blood of animals to this kal bhairo , i asked them instead  to offer prasad and milk and dhar to lord shiva,and their problems stopped. People who transferred their attention got better results in their life.

Maybe you know Kal bhairo more than me because i do not want a god that smokes, drinks rum and sacrifices animals… do you? To date I have rescued over 40,000 people from this kind of worship and brought them to shiva,,,their life is more successful and happy …If you do a check yourself you will find that many kal bhairo worshipers are broke, miserable , unmarried, cannot have children and depressed in their lives. I guess you are one of those rich ones. I did take off the comments on the site  but I do publish all the comments i receive in my email. Would you give permission to publish your letter and my answer… after all both sides of the knowledge should be given to the readers

Swami Ram

Dear Swami

I have no problem with you publishing my replies. To my belief…Lord Bhairava and Khal Bhairo is the same hence I refer to the Shiva Purana. That of which I mentioned previously is in fact in the Shiva Purana. I am a ‘sada’ devotee but also respect the sacrificial side of the mother’s work. There must be balance in the world. Just as you beat the taapo drum in a sada temple of the mother someone must have killed the goat to get the skin to cover that drum. Hope you understand where I am coming from.

For me, I worship him as Maha Khal Bhairo as an aspect of Lord Shiva. He has helped me alot in life, especially my job. As I have said before…I don’t offer him rum or alcohol but milk dhar, deeya light, yellow flowers and fruits. I am not rich but all my bills are paid on time and I have food and shelter and I am happy. Btw, I am a Trinidadian.

Hi selwyn,

If Lord SHIVA is the lord of the universe, is it not better to worship him rather than a lower creation than Kal Bhairo?  Would you not get more out of Lord Shiva . Trinidadians have gotten more help from me in this area much more than other natives of other countries .

Kal Bhairo is not kal Bhairva …You are making that connection in your MIND but its not a fact as Kal bhairo  was developed from the hindus outside of india after they left india and is synonymous with the African god bhairo that sacrifices animals and drink their blood…Kal bhairava is the form of lord shiva that guards the burial grounds and drinks “bang” or the juice of the dhatur plant which is somewhat poisonous is blue in color.

Anyway , this is your view of kal bhairo and I am not here to change it , you have to realize it your self. , As i said before the proof is not in the theory or the books …the proof is in the experience…you will have to answer the question of kal bhairo when you face the women and children who have been beaten, raped, molested by kal bhairo worshiping fathers and brothers and family members. Can you explain this to the woman who have been raped by Kali church priests and who are unable to get pregnant because their wombs are twisted by eating the sacrificed meat from the temples. Can you explain to the woman who’s body is being violated by kal bhairo like spirits in their dreams, who after seeing me was able to get better results in life after moving away from the kal bhairo worship. I am not interested as to whether kal bhairo is God or not. All I am interested in as a Swami is in helping people, and after seeing over 40,000 hindus I am just stating the observations I have made in my work. That observation is still helping people. IN the end anybody can worship whoever they want, and its not me who is going to be the judge of Kal Bhairo, its going to be the Americans and the Europeans. You already know how they feel about sacrifices in the Muslim and Jewish Religion. As more Hindus get more educated in the knowledge of the Rishis, more and more people will realize that God exists within every human being as ” So-ham” . If sacrifice was so important, Can I sacrifice you?

Swami ram

OK , I agree , to each his own..then you are surely not aware what is going on in the kal bhairo temples and the condition of the members. You also are now switching your comment to Kal Bhairava who i did accept as a form of lord shiva and is now your are against Bhairo. You do not seem to understand that Mother kali who is part of Lord shiva and Kal Bhairava who is also part of lord shiva has been used in vain by people who are using their names to do devil worship in what is so called ” a kali temple” where Kateri ( known as KOTERI in the Vedas) is a flesh eating spirit and blood drinking one. Bhairo is clearly not Kal bhairava. This is because people who have evil intentions is able to satisfy their desires for meat, alcohol and cigarettes. This is no different from African Vodoo, Spanish Santeria  or Black magic. YOu should order my book from the Internet ” Challenging God” if you would like to know more and read about the actual cases I have documented. I hope this will close this discussion and the book will answere all your questions.

swami ram

Hello Swami,

In Trinidad, I can clearly say that we worship him as indeed an aspect of Lord Shiva, so you are wrong in that matter. I have seen people do devotion to khal bhairo and got help with there family life, jobs etc. I have never heard of this kal bhairo from Africa you speak of. I think that could indeed be a evil spirit taking the name of khal bhairo and bringing him down!!! Just as you have helped alot of people, I have also seen people get help from him. When you speak of rape in the kali temple that does not make the temple or the Devi Kali bad…its the people themselves. In my opinion, there are people who want help and people who need help. their is a difference, people who want help will have you do their devotion for them if possible and people who need help will be genuine and sincere with devotion and get help. EVERYBODY makes mistakes even you and I from time to time it doesn’t make the church, temple or mosque a bad place. You have to also realize that everything in life is a sacrifice, not only when people kill a fowl or goat. When you pick a flower from a tree to offer to God thats a sacrifice, you spend time with family…thats a sacrifice, spend time with God …thats a sacrifice. I think instead of criticizing you should teach people about the true kal bhairva cause that is whom we worship and not this bhairo you speak of from Africa. You should clearly state which one YOU speak of. God can do many great things that we could never comprehend.   I have seen evil spirits take the name of Lord Shiva and do havoc in that family and they got help in the Kali temple. I think you need to educate people that evil spirits can take any name of the devta or devi and cause harm. Take time to consider the good that khal bhairva does for us as well. there is always two sides to a story. all in all you simply need to define in your articles the evil spirit that claim the name of our lord Bhairva. And by the way, I read another article of yours…do you believe mother Kali to be good or bad?

OK  Selwyn,

I agree , to each his own..then you are surely not aware what is going on in the kal bhairo temples and the condition of the members. You also are now switching your comment to Kal Bhairava who i did accept as a form of lord shiva and is now your are against Bhairo. You do not seem to understand that Mother kali who is part of Lord shiva and Kal Bhairava who is also part of lord shiva has been used in vain by people who are using their names to do devil worship in what is so called ” a kali temple” where Kateri ( known as KOTERI in the Vedas) is a flesh eating spirit and blood drinking one. Bhairo is clearly not Kal bhairava. This is because people who have evil intentions is able to satisfy their desires for meat, alcohol and cigarettes. This is no different from African Vodoo, Spanish Santeria  or Black magic. YOu should order my book from the Internet ” Challenging God” if you would like to know more and read about the actual cases I have documented. I hope this will close this discussion and the book will answere all your questions.

swami ram sends blesings

Hi Swami,
I am aware of at least the Mother Kali temple that I run in Trinidad and is also aware that their are some people out there with evil intentions and is using the Mother’s and Master’s name in vain BUT my point is that when you speak of Bhairo you NEED to be specific what are you referring to as people will get confused about bhairo and bhairva which is whom we do worship to!! We as spiritual leaders will know the difference but for the devotees it can be confusing as I myself was confuse when I read your article. That is my only point I was making. I hope you understand my point of view….

Ok chello,

I understand, but as spiritual leaders we need to perform actions that will protect the people from destroying them selves in their own worship.  YOu become their Guru and Teacher and I am sure you do not want a bad teacher for your children. We cannot go tell them that Goddess Durga has a brother that drinks rum and smoke cigarettes when such things are not in the devi puran. We cannot say that they are  9 sisters when its really 9 forms of woman hood. There can only be one mother for each person not a LILl mother and big mother. How many mothers do you have …1 or 9. There is no such thing as a lil mother and big mother in reality. There is only one shakti and that’s durga. In truth the 10th plate is not to be given to kal bhairo ( there is no evidence of this in the devi puran) but to her husband Shiva who in the shiva puran married the 9 forms of durga or shakti maa. Only then the Durga puja becomes fruitful. I have done 1000.s of these with successful results. Some women who were considered barren actually got conceived 2 weeks after the puja.   As spiritual leaders we must show progress in our own life before we can teach others to progress . A DROWNING MAN cannot SAVE A ANOTHER PERSON DROWNING. It is the responsibility of every priest and spiritual leader to preserve life and help people to progress in their life. You can worship any god you want, as long as it is for the good of mankind and you will gain the good karma for this. Recently ( just to lt you know) a new GOD of American VISA was recently created in India. People have taken the Word God as a joke nowadays. As a true Hindu , lets make our religion so scientific that every westerner will respect our priests and our people. If you notice Americans took the Yoga and The meditation science away from Hindus already..but NOTE: they have not connected to Kal bhairava or the Kali Church..

You letters are already being published ..check it out on www.guruvsevil.com . Let me know if you have any questions

with great love and blessings

Swami ram

Hi Swami,

I agree. As spiritual leaders we NEED to protect both our religion and people. Well said! I have indeed noticed that alot of people using religious institutions to make money or gain fame and that sort. I have opened a Kali temple here in Trinidad ( a sada temple ) and I intend to teach the people about the good aspect and hope to clear the misconceptions of the Devi. I hope to be an inspiration to the devotees and hopefully be able to change the evil thinking of the false Pujaries that are causing people to loose faith in God. So far, I have been able (with the Divine Mother Kali and Lord Shiva’s blessings) to heal alot of people in my country. The temple have been opened 6 years now and so far all is well. The temple is called Maha Rani Bhawani Maa Shakti Mandir.

Sita Ram….

WONDERFUL!! Selwyn

Now I see the true Bramhin in you. I have visited many Kali temples in India and it was amazing and surprising to see that instead of a Murti of Kali inside ( as I expected ) that it was a huge murti of DURGA. I asked the priest why, and i almost felt embarrassed when the priest said ” Arre bhaiji, Kali is Mother Durga” then iI realized that if i wish to have the shakti in my life I must always see her as Durga form. In her Kali form , the husband had to play dead to calm her anger………

I wish you well Selwyn in your efforts and I welcome you aboard with me to fight this darkest part of our Hinduism. On my trip to Trinidad I would be glad to visit your temple. At this moment over 500 pundits buy my yearly patra book in the USA . If you wish I will be glad to send you one as a gift. My patra will help you to heal more people and provide accurate assessments on exactly what kind of puja people would have to do for that year.

Many great blessings for you to continue the good work

Jai seeta ram